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Passed Around… Thinking She Was 18 | True Crime Documentary

And hearing you talk about it now, it’s obviously still very very raw. Yes, it is. And and and it definitely is very very difficult. Um especially in the beginning, the first year, um there would be times when I would finish a seminar and shake um and be physically sick. Of course, there are physical traumas from something like this.

 And it is difficult, but what the reward is is that children come up to me afterwards and say to me, “Thank you so much for helping me. I’m going to go and check my friends list on the computer now.” Um or when we get a call from parents saying you really influenced my child’s behavior on the internet.

 I can’t thank you enough. February 20th, early in the morning, Horseshoe Bay Beach. In the shallow water, they find the body of a 15-year-old girl face down. On the sand, there are signs of a struggle. Broken jewelry, drops of blood. Nearby, there’s a torn piece of a latex glove. The autopsy will later show at least 19 injuries.

 Blows to the head, strangulation, water in her lungs. She didn’t fight for her life for just a few seconds. It went on for at least half an hour. Just hours earlier, security cameras captured her on the waterfront. She wasn’t alone. There were two men walking beside her. No one knows how she ended up there. She was supposed to be somewhere completely different.

 That same morning, her mother tries to call her. The phone is off, which is not like her at all. Then a minute later, there’s a call from an unknown number. A man says he found her purse on the side of the road. The location is dozens of kilometers away from where she was supposed to spend the night. When her mother calls the friends’ parents she was meant to stay with, it turns out the girl never showed up.

 Police start going through her messages. One name keeps coming up again and again, Brandon Cain, the boy she was in love with, the boy she had never actually met. And very quickly, it becomes clear that this name doesn’t belong to any real person. Hey guys, I’m going to take just a quick minute here. I’m really curious where you’re all watching from.

So, I’d love it if you could drop a comment telling me what city you’re in and what time it is for you right now. Thanks so much for your attention. Let me know in the comments  and I’ll keep going. This case takes us to South Australia, to the quiet town of Stirling in Adelaide, where around 2 and 1/2 thousand people live.

 One of them was 14-year-old Carly Ryan, who lived there with her mom, Sonya, and her younger brother. Carly and Sonya were best friends and had an incredibly close bond. Sonya often said she was very young when she had Carly. And as a single mother, she struggled just to make ends meet, she would say.

 Carly saved my life and gave me a reason to live. She described Carly as incredibly fun, full of energy and life, the kind of person who was the heart and soul of the house. Her daughter loved having her own style and expressing herself. She was really into makeup and fashion, and her friends said she was kind and always open to people.

 As Carly entered her teenage years, her social circle started to shift. The new group of friends she fell in with was seen as a bit more experimental than she was. At one point, Carly suffered alcohol poisoning and had to be hospitalized. And once she recovered and came back home, she told her mom how much it scared her and that she wanted to distance  herself from that crowd.

 After that, she started looking for new friends,    and social media seemed like the perfect way to do it. Back in 2005, social media was still in its early stages. It was a whole new era full of exciting possibilities that had never really existed before. The chance to meet and connect with people online from all over the world at any time of day.

 Not long after that, Carly joined a relatively new platform called MySpace. It quickly became the biggest social network in the world and held that spot for several years. At one point, it was even the most visited website on the internet, surpassing Google. She also signed up for Vampire Freaks, which started out as a social network and later evolved into a clothing store.

Carly often told her mom about the new friends she was meeting online and how much she enjoyed talking to different people. One of them was a 17-year-old named Brandon Cain. He went by the username Corrupt Koala and was an aspiring rock musician living in Melbourne with his father. Carly quickly and deeply fell for Brandon.

And Sonya said that whenever her daughter talked about him, she would literally light up with excitement. At the same time, Sonya couldn’t ignore the age difference between her young daughter and Brandon and tried as much as she could to keep an eye on  their communication. But according to her, every time she looked over Carly’s shoulder and saw their messages, everything seemed, for lack of a better word, completely normal, like typical teenage conversations.

 They talked about everything from music to travel, their hopes and dreams for the future. Brandon also started interacting with Carly’s friends, and at first, everyone was excited, watching what looked like a budding romance. Eventually, Carly and Brandon began a long-distance relationship,  talking at all hours of the day and night.

 And as Sonya slowly started getting used to the idea of their feelings for each other,    Brandon’s father, Shane, also took an interest in the relationship. He would often comment on and react  to the posts they shared, and it seemed like he approved of what was going on. Sonya later said that Carly really felt a kind of emptiness  in her life because she grew up without a father, and that Shane, in a way, seemed to help fill that gap.

Carly was busy getting ready for her 15th birthday and invited Brandon to come over and celebrate with her. Even though they had never met in person, it felt like the perfect opportunity. Brandon called Carly and told her he was really sorry, but he wouldn’t be able to make it. Carly was heartbroken, but she He said his dad, Shane, would actually be passing through on a work trip    and would be happy to stop by and meet everyone on his behalf.

Shane worked in security, and his job often had him traveling between different cities. Carly ran into the kitchen, handed her mom the phone, and said Shane was on the line and wanted to introduce himself. Shane told Sonya he’d like to bring Carly a gift from Brandon and finally meet the family of the girl his son was so in love with.

 Sonya hesitated, but in the end, she agreed. Because after all that time talking online, it didn’t feel like meeting a stranger. It felt more like  meeting an old friend. That evening, on the day of Carly’s celebration, Shane showed up at their house to meet her and her family. He was dressed in a security uniform and  even showed Sonya his ID before coming inside.

According to Sonya, he was polite  and happy to talk with everyone. She said Carly was glowing with happiness, finally getting the chance to  meet her boyfriend’s father and learn a little more about Brandon through someone who seemed to know him best. Shane  gave Carly a gift from Brandon, which, as it later turned out, contained lingerie and a nurse  costume.

Throughout the evening, Shane stayed close to Carly and acted in a way that felt strange,  almost too possessive. But Carly remained calm. She cared about her boyfriend’s father’s opinion    and wanted him to like her, her friends, and her family. And as the night was coming  to an end, Shane said he was going to leave and check into a hotel.

 “Come on, don’t be silly,” Sonya said. “You can stay with us in the guest room. You’ve traveled such a long way and spent so much money to get here.” Early the next morning, Sonya was already up getting ready to head out. And as she walked past Carly’s room, she saw Shane asleep on  Carly’s bed, fully dressed, lying on top of the covers.

And all of Carly’s friends were in the room with him. Sonya was shocked and immediately demanded that Shane pack his things and leave. He didn’t say a single word. He just walked out, got into his car, and drove away. Sonya told Carly that she didn’t care anymore how much she liked Brandon. There was something seriously disturbing about his father’s behavior, and the whole situation felt very wrong.

Carly admitted to her mom that Shane had behaved inappropriately toward her that night. But even so, she was devastated by how everything had ended and begged her mom to fix it, saying this could be her future father-in-law. But the incident had scared Sonya too much. After that, she not only cut off the internet and took away Carly’s phone, she also threatened to call the police.

“Please don’t,” Carly pleaded, beside herself at the thought that she might never be able to see Brandon again. Eventually, Sonya gave Carly her phone back, but on one condition, that any contact with Shane had to stop completely. Sonya then sent Shane an email making it clear that if he ever contacted her daughter again, she would go to the police.

She was shocked by the reply. It was angry and aggressive. Shane threatened to sue her for defamation, called Sonya pathetic and cowardly, and said that if Carly and Brandon kept seeing each other, Carly would move into their home and Sonya would lose her anyway. Almost a month had passed since her birthday, and on February 19th, Carly spent the morning with Sonya.

 They painted their nails and got ready for a sleepover at a friend’s house. Sonya had already spoken with the friends’ parents ahead of time, and the sleepover had been planned for a while. Carly seemed to be back to her usual self and was really looking forward to the night with her friend. And as she was leaving the house, Sonya later said they hugged four times.

 Every time one of them let go, the other pulled her back in again. “I love you, Mom,” Carly said as she walked down the street. Early in the morning on February 20th, at Horseshoe Bay in Port Elliot, about 80 kilometers south of Adelaide in South Australia, police received a report that the body of a young girl had been found in shallow water, floating face  down.

 A pathologist quickly confirmed this was not an accident. The injuries on her body clearly pointed to an attack. Around 9:00 in the morning, Sonia tried to call Carly, but her phone was turned off, which was instantly alarming because her teenage daughter never went anywhere without it, day or night.  Just as she hung up to try again, she got a call from an unknown number.

 “Is this Carly Ryan’s home? I just found her purse on the side of the road.” the man on the line said. The place where the purse  was found was far from where Carly was supposed to spend the night, and there was no reason for her to be there. The panic started building,  and a confused Sonia called the parents of the friend where the sleepover was supposed to happen.

 To her horror, they said Carly had never shown up. Sonia immediately contacted  the police. Over the phone, they told her that a body matching her daughter’s description had just been found. There were no documents near the body, so Sonia had to go and identify her. The whole time trying to convince herself  it couldn’t be her child.

 But as she later said, the moment she saw the nail polish, she knew right away it was Carly. As the news began to spread, Carly’s friends found out by turning on the TV and seeing her face on the screen. The entire community was in shock. No one could imagine who would want to hurt her, let alone kill her. At the beach where Carly was found, there were clear signs of a struggle.

Her jewelry was broken  and scattered. Police also found the tip of a latex glove and drops of blood  in the sand. The autopsy revealed 19 separate injuries. Six to eight of them were blows to the head. The cause of death was a combination of facial trauma, strangulation, and drowning. Cannabinoids were also found in her system, and sand from the beach was discovered in her esophagus.

Police began collecting surveillance footage from nearby stores,    and one of the cameras captured Carly at 7:04 in the evening. She was walking along the waterfront with two men. A witness also reported  seeing men matching that same description on the beach near where Carly was found. This was shortly before  10:00 that night.

 The witness also mentioned seeing a pale blue car parked alone near the beach. Although he didn’t remember the license plate, he noticed some  kind of security badge with the number 24 in the window near the passenger seat. Neither Sonia nor Carly’s friends could explain why  she ended up at that beach or how she got there.

Along with the surveillance footage, police carefully reviewed Carly’s online  communication, and the one name that kept coming up again and again was Brandon Cain. Among a large number of messages showing what seemed like mutual feelings, investigators also found strange and inappropriate  exchanges between Brandon and Carly’s friends.

Emails and messages that became more aggressive and  hostile over time. It became clear to investigators that Brandon Cain was extremely manipulative and had been trying for quite a while to isolate Carly  from her friends. Once open and outgoing, Carly had started pulling away from everyone except him.

 Police now wanted to speak not only with Brandon, but also with his father, Shane. As the investigation unfolded, Sonia told police about the disturbing and inappropriate incident with Shane at Carly’s birthday. She showed them the email she had sent him afterward along with their message thread. Detectives needed phone records from mobile carriers to identify several numbers Carly had been in frequent contact with.

Those numbers were traced to Melbourne as well as Adelaide. The phone data showed that both numbers and the devices connected to them were moving toward Adelaide on the night of Carly’s birthday. But when police checked the names and addresses linked to those numbers, it quickly became clear the information was fake, and they had no idea who was actually on the other end.

 Some of the calls were connected to a small suburb called Walkerville, just a few miles from Carly’s home. In Walkerville, there was a holiday park with cabins, and police believed the person on the other end of those calls might have stayed there at some point, and that’s where they caught a break. Two men matching the description from the surveillance footage and traveling in the same car seen by the witness at the beach had in fact stayed at that park in one of the cabins.

The vehicle they arrived in was registered to an address in Melbourne. Detectives finally had a lead that pointed to people who were now their only suspects in Carly’s murder. When police went to that address, they saw the same pale blue car, and in the window, the same security badge the witness had mentioned.

 But the address was not linked to Brandon Cain or Shane. It belonged to a 48-year-old father of three named Gary Francis Newman. 11 days after Carly’s murder, police knocked on Gary’s door. He was quickly taken into custody and didn’t say a word. During a search of his home, officers opened a desk drawer and found pages and pages filled with names, passwords, and email addresses.

 Gary had more than 200 online identities, two of them being Brandon and Shane. While police were inside his house, there were still active chats open on his computer with teenage girls he had been talking to. In those chats, he was using the name Brandon Cain. He had a massive collection of fake photos and used real information from relatives and acquaintances to carefully build multiple profiles.

 Police noted that because he often used real details from people he knew, the profiles appeared convincing, and only deeper investigation revealed the truth. They also found a camera that had been taken from Carly’s home on the night of her birthday. On one of the photos was Carly standing next to Gary, who she believed was Shane.

 The two of them side by side talking. The security uniform he wore when he came to the Ryan home along with the badge also turned out to be  completely fake. The young man seen with them on the waterfront on the day  of Carly’s murder was actually Gary’s 17-year-old son. It is believed he was essentially brought along to play the role of Brandon that day, although that has never been fully confirmed.

 The evidence against Gary was overwhelming. On the evening before going to the sleepover, Carly had actually arranged to meet Gary, who told her that he and his supposed son Brandon would be in town the next day. After waiting 18 months to meet the person she had fallen in love with, Carly couldn’t bring herself to say no.

 She promised she wouldn’t tell her mom. After they met,  Gary drove Carly and his son to Horseshoe Bay in Port Elliot. Based on the evidence,  police believed Gary violently attacked Carly after she rejected him. They say he forced her to the ground, sat on her back, and pressed her head into the sand, suffocating her.

 Given Carly’s small size, she didn’t stand a chance of fighting him off. It’s believed she was unconscious when Gary left her body in the shallow water, likely hoping it would either drift away and never be found or look like an accident  as if she had drowned. There is also reason to believe Gary’s son witnessed the entire attack.

However, it remains unclear how involved he actually was. At the same time, sand from the beach was found in both Gary’s shoes and his son’s shoes. Forensic experts  determined that Carly was alive and fighting for her life on the beach for at least 30 minutes. Nearly 3 years after Carly’s death in October 2009,  Gary Francis Newman finally appeared in court.

It was the culmination of a long and painful wait  for both the family and the public who had followed the case with fear and tension. The identities of both him and his son were initially withheld from the public and  the media. Although the press argued that the public had a right to know who committed the crime, Gary’s  identity was kept hidden for a long time, and his son’s identity remains protected to this day, creating a sense that part of the truth was still out of reach. Gary tried to

plead guilty to manslaughter  in an attempt to reduce the charge and receive a lighter sentence. But prosecutors refused the deal, insisting on full accountability. His son, who was 19 at the time, also claimed he was not guilty, distancing himself from what had happened. In court, Gary claimed he suffered from bipolar disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder, and said he was asexual and not interested in sex at all.

 His statements sounded like an attempt to explain his behavior while also deflecting suspicion from motives that seemed obvious to the prosecution. He said he had been like a father figure to Carly, and that he only communicated with her as Shane and never as Brandon, a claim that contradicted  the evidence and raised even more questions.

 He tried to shift the blame for creating the Brandon Cain profile  onto his son, saying it was his son who made the account and used it to communicate with Carly and other girls. But the prosecution argued that the Brandon identity was controlled by both Gary and his son, either together or at different times, showing just how calculated and complex the deception really was.

Gary admitted he met Carly on the day she died, and that they were at the beach together, but claimed they said goodbye and went their separate ways. He told the jury he had offered to drive her home, but she refused, and he and his son left her there that evening. His  words sounded calm, almost casual, in stark contrast to what the prosecution said actually happened.

 He even claimed he only learned about her death 3 days later, and then called the Crime Stoppers hotline to help find the killer. A detail that came across as deeply unsettling, like an attempt to create an alibi while staying in the shadows. Gary’s son, who had been on the beach that day, testified against his father, bringing a critical new perspective to what happened that night.

 He said that while the three of them were sitting on the beach, Gary started making advances toward Carly again. Carly tried to leave, but Gary attacked her from behind. Although the son denied directly taking part in the murder, he admitted he helped his father cover it up. His testimony felt tense and conflicted, as if he himself was still trying to process what had happened.

Another of Gary’s sons also testified against him, saying that when their father returned from Carly’s birthday that same night when she first rejected him, he was furious and agitated. His behavior was unstable, and his emotions were out of control. He told his sons he would go back to Adelaide to deal with Carly.

Words that may have sounded like nothing more than an emotional outburst at the time, but later took on a much darker meaning. Later, Gary even bragged to his son about what he had done to Carly on the beach, showing bruises on his hands from the blows. At the time, it might have seemed like exaggeration or a cruel joke, but the truth turned out to be far worse.

 His son didn’t take him seriously then, thinking it was just empty threats. And that underestimation became another tragic piece of this story. The jury deliberated for 10 and 1/2 hours over 2 days. Hours filled with intense discussion, doubt, and careful weighing of every detail. Many feared Gary might avoid punishment because there had never really been a case like this before where the crime was so closely tied to the digital world and online communication.

It created uncertainty and real concern about the outcome. But in the end, the jury returned a guilty verdict, and Judge Trish Kelly sentenced Gary to life in prison with a minimum of 29 years  before parole. Sending a clear message that accountability is unavoidable even in cases where the crime begins in the digital world.

 Gary’s son, who had been a minor at the time of the crime and witnessed Carly’s murder,  was fully acquitted. The court ruled he deserved a second chance, and his identity remains protected under a suppression order to this day. A decision that left a complicated feeling somewhere between justice and sympathy for someone who was pulled into events far beyond his understanding. Judge Kelly stated.

 Gary Newman deserves to spend  his life behind bars for his deeply twisted plan to deceive, lure, and ultimately kill Carly. What you did to this beautiful, trusting 15-year-old girl was extraordinarily cruel. I say child because that’s exactly what she was. A child who fell in love with the image of an attractive, musically talented, and somewhat mysterious Brandon Cain.

 In reality, he was a balding, overweight, middle-aged man, a pedophile. Behind the online persona he created there was a completely different reality. Cold, calculated, and dangerous. He was so obsessed with Carly that when he didn’t get what he wanted, he was willing to kill her. This obsession didn’t appear overnight. It built gradually through lies, manipulation,  and control.

Step by step pulling her deeper into a story he had completely made up. Later, Gary filed an appeal trying to challenge the verdict on several grounds. It was another attempt to change the outcome, avoid responsibility, or at least reduce his sentence. One of the claims was that Sonya should not have been allowed to testify  in court, which came across as an attempt to question not only the legal process, but also the voice of a mother who had lost her child.

 However, 5 months later, the appeal was dismissed. The court upheld its decision confirming the strength of the verdict and the importance of the testimony.  Carly’s case and the scale of deception Gary used to lure her brought attention to a growing  issue. Online grooming, catfishing, and the behavior of internet  predators.

This was not just an isolated tragedy, but an example of how far someone can go using the internet as  a tool for manipulation. His actions showed just how easy it is to create a fake identity and how dangerous those connections can be for teenagers. At the time,  social media and online communication were still very new, and the idea that people could abuse these platforms and exploit others’ trust online  was barely discussed.

 For many, it felt like a new world, open, convenient, and seemingly  safe. But in reality, there was a serious lack of understanding of how these platforms could operate in harmful ways. The risks remained invisible and the dangers underestimated, creating the perfect conditions for those looking to take advantage  of someone’s trust, Sonya said.

 If I have to live in this world without my child, then I have to do something meaningful. I have to do something to help prevent this kind of suffering. And that’s exactly what became her mission. Not a temporary effort, and not just a reaction to grief, but the work of her entire life. Steady, determined, and deeply personal. Losing her daughter didn’t break her, but it changed the direction of everything she did forever.

From that point on, every step she took was focused on making sure no other family would have to go through something like this, so that what happened would mean something. So that this story wouldn’t remain just a tragedy, but would become a force for change. In 2010, the Carly Ryan Foundation was created. It is a certified provider of online safety programs under the office of the e-safety commissioner, and it delivers workshops on internet safety and healthy relationships for students and parents.

The organization works directly with communities, going into schools, speaking with teenagers and adults, explaining risks that often go unnoticed. These sessions are not just formal presentations. They are built on real experience, on a story that became a warning. Through open conversations, real examples, and honest dialogue, the foundation aims to teach people how to recognize danger before it becomes irreversible.

 wants to warn of the dangers. And most kids just don’t think it’s going to happen to them. They put all their information on their MySpace and Facebook, and they don’t think about who could be looking at their information. To grab the attention of teens, Ms. Ryan has spent the past week interstate touring with bands, handing out these internet safety pamphlets to concert-goers.

 Once they’ve read the brochure, came to me and said, “Oh, you know, this is fantastic. Thank you so much for this information, and I’ll pass it on to my friends.” So far, 20,000 pamphlets have been distributed, and now sponsors are needed to pay for another printing run. A website will soon be launched.

 Sonya Ryan’s also giving talks at primary and secondary schools around Adelaide, but her cause could get the ultimate boost. The foundation approached Oprah Winfrey in the hopes she might agree to publicize it when she visits in December. The organization provides a wide range of services and support in areas like online safety, cyberbullying, access to resources, and psychological assistance.

And it’s also involved in pushing for legislative reform. Its work covers both direct help for victims and their families, as well as educational efforts aimed at preventing crimes like this from happening in the first place. This isn’t just an awareness campaign. It’s a system of real support that tries to address every aspect of the dangers children can face online.

In a world where the digital space is becoming more and more part of everyday life, this kind of help is absolutely critical. Sonja Ryan is also a member of the education and prevention working group at the Australian Centre to Counter Child Exploitation. Her role there means she’s not only speaking as a mother who lost her child, but also as someone helping shape national  approaches to safety.

She takes part in developing strategies focused on raising awareness, educating both kids and adults, and identifying threats early. Her experience, painful, personal, and irreversible,  has become the foundation for changes meant to protect others. Her tireless work has earned her recognition.

  She was a finalist for the Human Rights Awards in 2017, and had earlier been named South Australian of the Year for her contribution to the community. These honors reflect years of relentless effort, public speaking, meetings, and constantly reminding people about dangers that aren’t always visible at first glance.

Carly Ryan became the first widely known victim in Australia to be killed by an internet predator, and her case led to major legislative changes. Her story became a turning point, the moment after  which ignoring the issue was no longer possible. It exposed just how vulnerable children can be in the  digital world, and showed how real the threats that begin on a screen can become.

And while those changes came too late for Carly, they were a step toward making sure something like this  doesn’t happen again in the future. is prevent harm. We want to give police the power to  arrest, uh take DNA, seize technology before a child is harmed. Because currently, um they have to prove sexual purpose.

So the the issue there, I suppose, is you can have someone talking online, uh and you you have to I suppose wonder, and I’m sure this is part  of your preachings to politicians, what real reason is there for someone of age, for an example, someone in their 40s to be lying about their age talking to someone, but the moment no action can really be taken, essentially.

 Not until they have evidence of  that sexual purpose. Um so yes, there are so many people online. Um police are dealing  with this all the time. I’m pretending to be, you know, a 12-year-old or a 7-year-old child or a teenager trying to create connection and lure children. Um this is becoming, unfortunately, a really common crime in this space.

   And so what we want to do, again, is give police the power to intervene  sooner. The current grooming laws um basically are saying, you know, we have to have that  that sexual evidence. So After creating the Carly Ryan Foundation in her daughter’s honor, in June 2017,  a law known as Carly’s Law was passed.

This didn’t happen quickly or easily. It came after years  of pain, persistence, and an ongoing fight for justice. From that point on, people who are caught lying about their age while communicating with minors online can be held accountable. Something that used to exist in a kind of gray area on the internet now had clear legal definitions and real consequences.

In August of that same year, the law was used for the first time, a moment that was both alarming and revealing. A previously convicted pedophile in his early 30s was caught grooming children online. He carefully  hid his real identity by pretending to be a young woman, gaining the children’s trust and gradually manipulating them.

 Cases like this are exactly why the law was created, to stop the danger before it turns into something irreversible. An even stricter version of the law was introduced a year later, marking the next step in strengthening protections for children as it became clear that the threat from online predators was far broader and more complex than previously understood.

 The law evolved alongside that understanding, aiming to stay ahead of those who use the internet to commit crimes. In the year the law came into effect, a patchwork quilt made from Carly’s favorite clothes was hung in Parliament. It immediately drew attention, not as just a symbol, but as something deeply personal and painful.

Every piece of fabric carried a part of her life, a piece of her presence. The quilt became a silent reminder of a 10-year fight for necessary legislative change, a journey filled with loss, but also determination to make sure this story would never be repeated. Sonya continues to fight so that Carly’s name is remembered and her voice is heard even after her death.

 For her, this is no longer just a cause, it’s her life’s mission. She speaks out, raises awareness, and refuses to let people forget why this law was created in the first place. She hopes that Carly’s Law will help protect children from online predators and maybe even save someone’s life before it’s too late, she said.

 I truly believe she’s watching everything we do in her name. It’s an incredible legacy for her to know she didn’t go through all that suffering for nothing. Now, children will be saved in her name from terrible harm and pain. I’ve thought about Carly’s legacy with every single breath. What else can a mother who’s gone through something like this even do? It changes you forever.